I've read about the track/song limits in the Receiver system (within this thread and here in the FAQ), supposedly limited to ~40K tracks in the server and ~10K in the receiver itself.

I, however, am experiencing problems with only 4,502 tracks in my collection. I can play by artist, and by album. If I select by song title, however, the receiver seems to reboot. When I select by song title, there is a brief pause during which the hour-glass pops up (indicating "wait a moment"). Within a second or two, I see the boot screen. By boot screen, I mean that the receiver displays exactly the same thing it does when you first turn it on -- It shows the Rio logo, and a line at the bottom shows progress messages such as "searching for music server," "music server found," and so on.

So is this expected?

I'd really like to use shuffle (random) play across my entire collection of tracks. At the moment, the widest selection of tracks with which I can get random play is in by artist mode. I could make a large play list, but that isn't appealing. I could also play by genre, but most of my tracks don't have any genre information in the MP3 ID3.1 tags.

Any ideas folks?

Details of my setup:
I have two of the Dell re-branded units from TigerDirect, running 1.04 firmware and 1.04 Audio Receiver Manager on a Win2K PC.

P.S.: Ultimately this won't matter to me. I intend to switch over to one of the community supported servers (on Linux), and also use the tRio client-side software. I'd just like to get the most out of the default setup.

Well, we found one way around the problem.

By choosing the By Genre option, saying "all genres," and then hitting the Random button, the Receiver jumps around through all 4,502 tracks.

Cool.

I guess its UI had trouble rendering the entire track list with 4,502 entries, but the Genre list is of course much shorter.

Where did you get the # for 40k limit? The limit is actually much lower; 4k sounds about right..
-mark

This thread says that the server-side software has a limit of about 40K tracks, and the client about 10K.

40k on the server side; 10k ont he client side; I would imagine that this number can be lower if you have long descriptions/id3 v2/etc.. For me the limit was around 4k..
-m

I should also mention.. I ended up going w/ jreceiver/rioplay client replacement - I'm serving ~14k songs with this.
-mark

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I should also mention.. I ended up going w/ jreceiver/rioplay client replacement - I'm serving ~14k songs with this.

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Perhaps a topic for another thread (or a search), but...

Does this combo give the Rio Receiver client-side volume control? All of my units are hooked to unpowered speakers, so I use the 2x10W amp in the receiver. Volume control with the Rio's remote from across the room is very nice.

I've read that the tRio software doesn't support client-side volume control, so I don't wanna lose that feature when I change to something other than the default Rio client.

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40k on the server side; 10k ont he client side; I would imagine that this number can be lower if you have long descriptions/id3 v2/etc.. For me the limit was around 4k..

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I got my setup working by splitting my 4502 tracks into 4 playlists of about 1100 tracks each. I call the playlists A-C, C-J, etc. Now I can play randomly within 1/4 of my collection at a time.

So with my particular ID3 tags (fed directly by freedb at the time of ripping), the limit is somewhere between 1100 and 4502.

I tried splitting into two playlists of just over 2200 tracks each, but the ARM (server) software crashed every time I asked it to read in those two playlists.

P.S.: As a side effect, these 4 playlists put the tracks in the "correct" order. That is, artists/albums are listed alphabetically, while the tracks are by original track# order. That's how I arranged the playlist in WinAmp. So now when I want to play an album in its original order, it is easy to do so.

For the record ...

With tRio 1.3 you can select either fixed or variable volume line-out and the volume works via both the wheel and remote.

I've got over 1200 CDs (about 12K tracks) and I'm using original Rio software and have no problems.
Except that annoying alpha sorting of songs in album.